Tuesday, April 04, 2006

misquoting jesus.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5052156

we filter our reality. we do it in a variety of ways. one of the most common and pervasive filters is that of religion. that`s why this link is particularly interesting.

3 comments:

anu said...

seems interesting.

Dr? have you read Seth's views on jesus.

If you haven't, shall i post it here.

I read it in the Seth forums the other day. It was really interesting. And so easy for me to believe. I studied in a catholic school. My school's name is Fatima High School. I love jesus, he is so simple, kind, loving and handsome :-), apart from the other things he has done.

dr.alistair said...

i am always interested in different views of familiar subjects. fatima is an interesting episode in catholic history too. the appearance of the blessed virgin mary to three young portuguese girls and subsequently tens of thousands of people.

anu said...

Christ, the historical Christ, was not crucified...You will have to
> give me time here. (Pause)
>
> He had no intention of dying in that manner; but others felt that
to
> fulfill the prophecies in all ways, a crucifixion was a necessity.
>
> Christ did not take part in it. (pause) There was a conspiracy in
> which Judas played a role, an attempt to make a martyr out of
> Christ. The man chosen was drugged - hence the necessity of
helping
> him carry the cross (see Luke 23)- and he was told that he was the
> Christ.
>
> He believed that he was. He was one of those deluded, but he also
> himself believed that HE, not the historical Christ, was to
fulfill
> the prophecies.
>
> Mary came because she was full of sorrow for the man who believed
he
> was her son. Out of compassion she was present. The group
> responsible wanted it to appear that one particular portion of the
> Jews had crucified Christ, and never dreamed that the whole Jewish
> people would be 'blamed'.
>
> ...the tomb was empty because this same group carted the body
away.
> Mary Magdalene did see Christ, however, immediately after (see
> Matthew 28).
>
> Christ was a great psychic. He caused the wounds to appear then
upon
> his own body, and appeared both physically and in out-of-body
states
> to his followers. He tried, however, to explain what had happened,
> and his position, but those who were not in on the conspiracy
would
> not understand, and misread his statements.
>
> Peter three times denied the Lord (Matthew 26) saying he did not
know
> him, because he recognized that that person was not Christ.
>
> The plea, "Peter, why hast thou forsaken me?" came from the man who
> believed he was Christ - the drugged version. Judas pointed out
that
> man. He knew of the conspiracy, and feared that the real Christ
> would be captured.
>
> Therefore he handed over to the authorities a man known to be a
> self-styled messiah - to save, not destroy, the life of the
> historical Christ.
>
> Symbolically, however, the crucifixion idea itself embodied deep
> dilemmas and meanings of the human psyche, and so the Crucifixion
> per se became a far greater reality than the actual physical
events
> that occurred at the time.
>
> Only the deluded are in danger of, or capable of, such self-
> sacrifice, you see, or find it necessary. Only those still bound
up
> in ideas of crime and punishment would be attracted to that kind
of
> religious drama, and find within it deep echoes of their own
> subjective feelings.
>
> Christ KNEW, however, clairvoyantly, that these events in one way
or
> another would occur, and the probable dramas that could result.
The
> man involved could not be swerved from his subjective decision. He
> would be sacrificed to make the old Jewish prophecies come true,
and
> he could not be dissuaded.
>
> In the Last Supper when Christ said, "This is my body, and this is
> my blood", He meant to show that the spirit was within all matter,
> interconnected, and yet apart - that his own spirit was
independent
> of his body, and also in his own way to hint that he should no
> longer be identified with his body. For he knew the dead body
would
> not be his own.
>
> This was all misunderstood. Christ then changed his mode of
behavior;
> appearing quite often in out-of-body states to his followers. (See
> John 20, 21;Matthew 28; Luke 24) Before, he had not done this to
> that degree. He tried to tell them however that he was not dead,
> and they chose to take him symbolically.
>
> His physical presence was no longer necessary, and was even an
> embarrassment under the circumstances. He simply willed himself
out
> of it.
>
> Now: He knew that without the wounds, they would not believe he was
> himself, because they were so convinced that he died with his
wounds.
> (see John 20) They were to be a method of identification, to be
> dispensed with when he explained the true circumstances.
>
> He ate to prove he was still alive, for example (John 21, Luke 24,
> etc.) but they took this simply to mean that the spirit could
> partake of food. They wanted to believe that he had been
crucified
> and arisen.
>
> ~ Seth, Seth Speaks